Talk 2, No Arising, 20 September 1986
The Assertion that there is no Arising, ultimately all phenomena are unborn.
Arising from self is meaningless, is illogical.
THE LOGICAL PROOF
1) Arising from self is contrary to what is renowned in the world and would be endless.
2 )Analysis of whether the characteristics of a cause and of its result are different or
not shows arising from self to be logically untenable.
3) If there were arising from self, at any given time a cause and its result should equally
be visible or not visible
Refuting arising from self in conventional reality.
A summary of the refutations.
Another way of revealing the faults in the argument that things arise from themselves.
QAs, Talk 2 ends when Rinpoche says to divide into pairs to debate.
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